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I just wanted to say a few things in response to my assurance of salvation comments, and then some things I read that I thought were interesting this weekend.
First, to what Jesse said in his comment, I think some of his verses have good points, definitely, but some of them I would say, not so much, in my meager opinion. :) For example, Hebrews 6:4-6, 1 Tim 1:19, Hebrews 10:26-27, 2 Peter 2:20-21, 1 Timothy 4:1, Galatians 5:4, & Revelation 3:5.
From what I read in those verses and their context, I only see the authors speaking about/to people who have received “knowledge” of God, of faith, of truth, of Jesus. This doesn’t strike me as anything different than me receiving the knowledge that pluto is NOT a planet, and not accepting it. Okay, bad example. More like, hearing the knowledge that the earth is not the center of the universe and is round in shape, and not accepting that knowledge. It is also a very poor example, but there is a difference between hearing the facts, having intellectual knowledge of the facts, and believing and owning them, giving myself up to them in a way. I’m not sure I can think of an allegory that would begin to compare to that of faith in Jesus Christ, but we might liken it to simply knowing a person. I would say falling in love, but certain people out there think love is too irrational to base arguments on…mmkay.
So, I can know about, say, JAMES GOTTRY! :) Good example. I can hear about James from Lea (his fiancee). She told me about him, she told me about his characteristics, his likes, things he’s passionate about, experiences she had with him, and so I have knowledge of James. But I don’t know him. (for those of you who know spanish, I “sé” of James, but I don’t “conozco” James). Until I met him myself, I went and spoke with him, sat down and talked to him. Now I know him (we need better words in English). It’s not *just* knowledge anymore. I know that makes sense…I hope you get me. These verses mentioned above seem to only speak of this factual second-hand knowledge, and the Revelations 3 verse doesn’t hold any merit in my eyes (in this discussion), because he says “I will never blot his name from the book of life.” How does that say that Jesus will blot someone’s name out??
Take it from Whitney Houston. “I will always love you,” isn’t her way of saying, ”but I might not.”
Okay, to what James said, I’m not too familiar with the topic of apostasy, and I’m just trying to learn here and hear what people have to say, but I’m not sure about the apostasy theory. “The apostate is beyond salvation because he has rejected the one true sacrifice for sins.” Is anyone ever beyond salvation? There’s no hope? I guess if you get into theology, God choosing those He calls, I can understand that concept, but it seems like a dangerous ground to walk in our concepts. I’ve heard people tell me they have “written someone off,” probably in conjunction to the idea of apostasy, and that is not a place to be in my opinion (James, this isn’t directed at you by *any* means, just using your comment for further discussion and learning on my part). I would guess that most people would agree. Or if not, what do you think? Where have you heard the idea of apostasy inferred or drawn upon, directly or indirectly?
And finally, I just finished the book, “A New Kind of Christian,” by Brian McLaren.
Your response is either:
1. I have no idea who/what that book is like.
2. You think the man has some really interesting thoughts and want to discuss with me or someone else.
3. Your red flag just went up.
Regardless, there are certainly some interesting and valid points in this book, and it is very challenging, and perhaps something that leaders should be discussing, in my opinion. Anyway, one point that I wrote down on Friday was the following:
“The question is not just whether Christianity is rational, credible and essentially true, but whether it can be powerful, redemptive, authentic and good, and whether it can change lives, demonstrate reconciliation and community, serve as a catalyst for the Kingdom, and lead to a desirable future. That drama must be played out on the local level, in communities of people who live by the Gospel.” ~pg. 154
I have a lot more to comment on, but I think that might lead to information overload (or boredom), so I’ll try to contain myself.